Monday, January 23, 2006

Refutation of the Heretic, II

I see that the heretic "Back of the Hill" has come back to roast me in another post.

Let me now criticize his roasting, and thereby show honor to the Torah and to Hashem Yisborach.

Ironically, his latest post consists mainly of quotes of my Torah (he quotes my entire post inside his), with only occasional comments by him. I pray to Hashem that He allow many people to find my quoted words on his blog, and thereby be led to derech Torah.

I wrote: Only the historians, who were all either goyim, or non-religious, s*x-practicing Jews, state that Rambam had a wife.

"Back of the Hill" responded: Unlike frummy bonk-jobs who advocate absolute celibacy.

What about us? You call us names, but indeed, we are quite unlike the secular historians, who engage in aveiros such as s*x and p*rk.

I wrote: And we yeshiva-educated....

"Back of the Hill" responded: Which Yeshiva?

Would you be happier I had specified that I learned mainly by Rav Katzenellenbogen (in Cleveland), and also spent a little bit of time at the Mir?

I wrote: You know what shaking hands with women leads to? S*x.

"Back of the Hill" responded: And kissing causes pregnancy, begorah. How does his sex-life negate his scholarship?

As bad as kissing between a man and a woman is, how can you say that it causes pregnancy? Perhaps you don't know the difference between leads to and causes? No, I didn't think you knew the difference.

And as to "his sex-life negate his scholarship": we people in the field of Torah understand how the entire character of someone is holistic, and related to his kochos ha-nefesh. If their is a blemish in one part of a person's character, the other parts can't be trusted, either. You secular people believe in all sorts of divisions, which are not authentic to Torah. I pray to Hashem that he enlighten you soon.

"Back of the Hill" wrote: "ve'et zachar lo tishkav mishkevei isha to'eva hiv" - this means that you should not lie with a man LIKE with a woman, NOT that you should not lie with man NOR woman. If you have any doubts about this interpretation, I strongly suggest that you reread the commentaries - Rashi would be a good choice.

You clearly do not understand the Chazalic methods of Medrash Halacha: the inclusion of the mention of משכבי אשה shows that sleeping with a woman is included in this prohibition. And we do not paskin from Rashi's commentary on the chumash.

"Back of the Hill" wrote: I had NO idea that the Mechaber was a historian

I never said he was a historian. Chas ve-shalom that he would have been a historian (goyishe profession). All I said was that he is authoritative! You just have such a secular mind that when you hear "authoritative", all you can think of is "historian".

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another marvelous posting! Shkoiyach!

Alas, I fear I may not have time to counterargue (or simply take potshots at) your fine posting today, for which I apologize, but I will certainly do so tomorrow.

---Heretic Scum

3:28 PM  
Anonymous celibacy supporter said...

I do not understand why you make fun out of this person. This is a central point of Jewry. This is why I turned to Jewry religion though I was born a Jew. (I was raised a Catholic but they put celibacy artificial only for priests, and when I studied more of the basis of Catholic which is Jewish, I found the same conclusions!

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Tayere Celibacy Supporter,

Do you mean to say that you intend to ignore the imperative to go forth and procreate?

Pru urvu means nothing to you?

Well, no offense, but that's probably a wise choice.

And what is this 'Jewry' of which you speak? Surely it is not what the rest of us think of when we consider Torah and Talmud based montheism.

---Heretic Scum

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Tayere AbsoCelibate and CeliSupporter,

I have written a new posting, which you might find interesting. It's all about SEX!

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Grisn,


---Heretic Scum

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Anonymous celibacy supporter said...

But the imperative to go forth and procreate was only when G-d has created the world! Now there are enough people in the world for this imperative and we don't have to worry about people in the world that they are many!

You ask what is the Jewry I mean. It is the real Jewry which is only the foundamation of distorted sects like cristaos and not really orthodox Jewry.

And please explain why a s-x cult must be monotheist! Why do you think this?

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Tayere Celibortionist,

My words were "Talmud based montheism", not 'monotheist sex cult' (although that sounds interesting too).

Surely you do not mean to imply that Rabbanite Judaism is a monotheist sex cult? I thought that particular Russian superstition had disappeared.

TALMUD! TALMUD! TALMUD! TALMUD! TALMUD! TALMUD! TALMUD! TALMUD! TALMUD! TALMUD!

[Time for toivel sein, ooh.]


Yes, there are many people in the world. But if all maintained celibacy, in only a few decades there would be none.

If Jews maintained celibacy, in only a few decades there would be none.

And you and Absolibate would then be all alone in the cold dark night.

Grisn,

---Heretic Scum

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"Heretic Scum", you write
"montheism" all the time, so that I am suspicious that this is on purpose. Are you in reality a moon worshipper? This would explain your strange obscene s*x ideas about our holy Jewry religion!

And you write
"Surely you do not mean to imply that Rabbanite Judaism is a monotheist s*x cult? I thought that particular Russian superstition had disappeared."

I can assure you that I am not Russian. (I am Bresilian.) and I think exactly the opposite: Rabbanite Judaism is NOT a s*x cult. That is what you don't understand.

Further on you write
"Yes, there are many people in the world. But if all maintained celibacy, in only a few decades there would be none."

Who says that? Can you tell the future? We'll have to wait and see. And anyway, Mashiach will come if we all behave like the tora has told us.

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I am overjoyed to see that Celiborter has added another well-thought out argument in favour of sex, stating more or less that those who maintain absolute celibacy will be not be zoiche that moshiach should come in their lifetime because the rest of us are having a bit of the old slap and tickle.

Seeing as it is impossible that all yidden everywhere abstain from a bit of boumsa-woumsa, there is no point to anyone abstaining.

Mabrouk!

Go get some! Quickly! Before it's all gone!

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